Ableton transient shaper

Buy a lot of racks from Ableton, it is not necessary to stick to the mentioned scheme. It's not better (or worse) than many others. (including the one Citizen already uses)In fact I think it's the best aproach to come up with a scheme that works for you, because than remembering it will be even easier, since you came up with it and put everything where it is. Last edited by TomViolenz on Wed May 13, 2015 9:30 am, edited 1 time in total. Citizen Posts: 813 Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:34 am Re: Transient control: ADSR, Compression...or Transient Shapers? Post by Citizen » Wed May 13, 2015 9:29 am Cool, thanks again for the tips Tom.The Shaper is just a form of Saturation, isn't it? Also, if I limit my top value for the Res at 1.00, it doesn't modify the slope of the HPF much. And I can't really see a value reason for creating a high resonant peak on my HPF. Just wondering if this parameter could be better used.......Hmmmmm. Last edited by Citizen on Wed May 13, 2015 9:36 am, edited 1 time in total. TomViolenz Posts: 6854 Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:19 pm Re: Transient control: ADSR, Compression...or Transient Shapers? Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 13, 2015 9:33 am Citizen wrote:Cool, thanks again for the tips Tom.The Shaper is just a form of Saturation, isn't it?Similar, yes. It shapes the curve of the filter you use and in high amounts distorts it quite a bit. I use the soft algo with the shaper placed before the filter (the little arrow pointing up). But YMMV, since it depends on what kind of sound you're after. TomViolenz Posts: 6854 Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:19 pm Re: Transient control: ADSR, Compression...or Transient Shapers? Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 13, 2015 9:36 am Citizen wrote:Cool, thanks again for the tips Tom.The Shaper is just a form of Saturation, isn't it? Also, if I limit my top value for the REs at 1.00, it doesn't modify the slope of the HPF much. And I can't really see a value reason for creating a high resonant peak on my HPF. There is no reason to limit resonance (except maby to 9.5, since after that it starts to audible self resonate). If fact I often use high resonances to add more defined low end to kicks and to use it on hats to give them a tonal quality Citizen Posts: 813 Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:34 am Re: Transient control: ADSR, Compression...or Transient Shapers? Post by Citizen » Wed May 13, 2015 9:38 am TomViolenz wrote:Citizen wrote:Cool, thanks again for the tips Tom.The Shaper is just

Also set longer release times to give you smoother, more transparent compression.It also comes with parallel compression capabilities, a high-pass filter module, and a sidechain function with stereo linking functionality, giving you incredible control over your tracks.3. Waves Smack AttackWaves Smack Attack has become a go-to plugin for my drum production, delivering plenty of transient-shaping functionality and crisp algorithms that aren't as easily available in Ableton. I often find myself using it on kick drums to get a bit of added punch by boosting the transients on the front end.It can also be a useful plugin for stacking drum samples. You can shave off the front end of a roomy snare stack so that the transient doesn't interfere with your main snare or trim the room sound off a drum fill sample to time it to your mix.The plugin is super transparent and comes with plenty of parameters that you wouldn't find on a standard transient shaper, including the protection limiter, which stops you from going into the red when giving your drums a good dose of attack.Best Saturation Plugins for Ableton Live1. Softube Saturation KnobSaturation plugins are great for adding harmonic richness to your tracks, and one of the best saturation plugins, Softube Saturation Knob , happens to be completely free. This extremely simple plugin delivers three saturation modes, allowing you to apply harmonic distortion to your highs, lows, or mids.The saturation style is very warm, with an undeniable analog style. You can use it to add a bit

Yes, this rack is a work in progress. I do find that working with a Tranisent Shaper to be the fastest way of dialling in the sound I want. I find the NI one to be pretty low on the CPU, why do you like the Shaak one?Back when I started to make my racks the NI transient shaper was not available as a plug-in yet, but the transient shaper in Maschine was actually the one that introduced me to the concept. I think to remember from that time that the release phase of that one was a little weak.I use the Shaack one beause:a.) low CPU (less than 0.5% per instance, while the much raved about SPL one was 2% on my computer)b.) very good attack and release behaviour. It simply has a lot of range to reduce/add attack and release.c.) It has a very nifty Drive parameter included that adds some nice analog sounding distortion.d.) it was cheap (50€ at the time)Re. the Filter Morph – yeah, somebody said they have it in their rack, but TBH its a bit fiddly to use, and really, when the hell am I gonna use a notch only on a drum sound?! I can always drop in an EQ if I need finer control.If I took it away, that would free up 3 macros – so..... HPF, Res and....Pan?! Pan is useful, but I use the chain pan which I can control from Push in PXT.I use the Shaper amount parameter in that space. Plus HP freq and res TomViolenz Posts: 6854 Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:19 pm Re: Transient control: ADSR, Compression...or Transient Shapers? Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 13, 2015 9:27 am Winterpark wrote:As a point of interest on Macro set-up....At the Melbourne live user group we had Phillip who works in the packs team from Ableton come in and talk to us about how they try to get the commercial packs set up, so there are common parameters mapped to specific macros.His template is something that I've been doing my best to implement whenever I create my own sample based instruments or drum racks.... macro 1: Brightness modifier (filter freq etc)macro 2-3: Wild-card, but good to map as a pair ie: lfo rate and lfo amountmacro 4: Effect/wetness (ie: delay and/or reverb amount)macro 5-6: Envelope functions (ie Attack/Release of either amp or filter depending on sound)macro 7: Wildcardmacro 8: VolumeI've found this super useful, and makes playing between instruments really easy, as you develop 'muscle memory' for going to certain types of parameters, instead of having to look at what they say.The idea to use always a similar layout is sound, but unless one plans to

A form of Saturation, isn't it?Similar, yes. It shapes the curve of the filter you use and in high amounts distorts it quite a bit. I use the soft algo with the shaper placed before the filter (the little arrow pointing up). But YMMV, since it depends on what kind of sound you're after.Right – cause with the Hard type at high settings, it veers into Hardstyle/Gabba kicks territory! :O (not where I'm headed) So, is it similar to adjusting the filter slope, but with some saturation at higher values, then? TomViolenz Posts: 6854 Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:19 pm Re: Transient control: ADSR, Compression...or Transient Shapers? Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 13, 2015 9:41 am Citizen wrote:TomViolenz wrote:Citizen wrote:Cool, thanks again for the tips Tom.The Shaper is just a form of Saturation, isn't it?Similar, yes. It shapes the curve of the filter you use and in high amounts distorts it quite a bit. I use the soft algo with the shaper placed before the filter (the little arrow pointing up). But YMMV, since it depends on what kind of sound you're after.Right – cause with the Hard type at high settings, it veers into Hardstyle/Gabba kicks territory! :O (not where I'm headed) So, is it similar to adjusting the filter slope, but with some saturation at higher values, then? not quite it's more like puting a wave over the shape of the resonance. Look up filter shaping.And Resonance is one of the most powerful parameters on my rack, so I would most definetely not exclude it. Winterpark Posts: 1671 Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:59 am Location: Melbourne, Australia Re: Transient control: ADSR, Compression...or Transient Shapers? Post by Winterpark » Wed May 13, 2015 9:53 am TomViolenz wrote:Winterpark wrote:As a point of interest on Macro set-up....At the Melbourne live user group we had Phillip who works in the packs team from Ableton come in and talk to us about how they try to get the commercial packs set up, so there are common parameters mapped to specific macros.His template is something that I've been doing my best to implement whenever I create my own sample based instruments or drum racks.... macro 1: Brightness modifier (filter freq etc)macro 2-3: Wild-card, but good to map as a pair ie: lfo rate and lfo amountmacro 4: Effect/wetness (ie: delay and/or reverb amount)macro 5-6: Envelope functions (ie Attack/Release of either amp or filter depending on sound)macro 7: Wildcardmacro 8: VolumeI've found this super useful, and makes playing between instruments really easy, as you develop 'muscle memory' for going to certain types of parameters, instead of having to look at what they say.The idea to use always a similar layout is sound,